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So Logo... You are telling me that your Markable contribution is to tell me that because MPSS add an extra A to traction it's a better tire than the Dunlop. Did you read my posts? I said I wouldn't buy them, But you can. I used to race sportbikes, You can turn a GSXR 1000 into a Harley with the wrong Tires.
 

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So Logo... You are telling me that your Markable contribution is to tell me that because MPSS add an extra A to traction it's a better tire than the Dunlop. Did you read my posts? I said I wouldn't buy them, But you can. I used to race sportbikes, You can turn a GSXR 1000 into a Harley with the wrong Tires.
just read up champ, your still clogging this thread with useless information. :googlesign:
 

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Bro, I get what your saying, i do. You have to realize that tread wear ratings are determined by the manufacture. Its not done by a third party that has no interest in the tires. Also, the tread wear rating does imply how much grip the tires are going to have, but in reality you can have really stick tires that have a higher tread wear rating. MPSS. Michelin has done its homework on these and the reviews speak for themselves. Im not sure you know what your talking about when you reference the tread wear rating as the only basis for the tires grip.:thumb up:

Dunlop Direzza star spec
temp A
traction A
Treadwear 200

MPSS
temp A
traction AA
Treadwear 300

As we all know the star spec is a great tire for autocross, even so the MPSS was rated the highest traction AA, even higher then the Star specs. So do some research my friend and then make a markable contribution to this forum.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48
I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

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From what you guys saying it's a good street tire but bad track tire so if I'm not planning on tracking my car get them. If I'm gonna track there's better tires for it.
 

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I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:
U mad bro?
 

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I will be switching to these once my Michelin PS2's wear out... The PS2's are UNREAL in dry and wet. I put them to the task last year in South Florida during their heavy rain on the Turn Pike and they felt planted even at 120km/hr and the Pilot Sport's are supposed to be all around better in wet and similar in dry... and for my dry traction experience, my dad uses these on his Twin turbo Z06 and they will stick when flooring it in 2nd gear and thats on a 800hp vehicle...

I am going to assume they are very close to PS2's and they are 10000000000000x better in every single way than the OEM tires. You will never buy a different tire again after running the Michelin's..
 

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From what you guys saying it's a good street tire but bad track tire so if I'm not planning on tracking my car get them. If I'm gonna track there's better tires for it.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a bad track tire by any means. I'd just say, if you're concerned about your time and about going as fast as possible, there are street legal tires out there that would be faster on the track.
 

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You can't make an opinion if you haven't mounted them yet. Reviews your read don't count.

When you buy them check back in.
Fair enough. I'm just going off of reviews and personal experience with other tires. Personally, I'm 100% sold on these tires and will be getting them soon. Summer goal: Kill the Advans lol.

I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:
There may be BETTER track tires out there (obviously, yet that's all you keep saying), but the track isn't where you spend the bulk of your time unless you're Robevo or Gates. Good information in your post, but how about the fact that the MPSS have been track tested heavily during the One Lap of America? Tested and proven. Not all of us need R compound tires and not all of us track on a weekly basis. This is a compromise tire for BOTH. I'm sure it's quite capable for an auto-X.

I will be switching to these once my Michelin PS2's wear out... The PS2's are UNREAL in dry and wet. I put them to the task last year in South Florida during their heavy rain on the Turn Pike and they felt planted even at 120km/hr and the Pilot Sport's are supposed to be all around better in wet and similar in dry... and for my dry traction experience, my dad uses these on his Twin turbo Z06 and they will stick when flooring it in 2nd gear and thats on a 800hp vehicle...

I am going to assume they are very close to PS2's and they are 10000000000000x better in every single way than the OEM tires. You will never buy a different tire again after running the Michelin's..
Good post. I'm trying to convince a few RWD friends of mine that these might be good for them because of your dad's experience.

I'll say this one more time: The MPSS are, as Tire Rack told me, STREET tires that CAN be taken to the TRACK, not the other way around. NO ONE is arguing otherwise.
 

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There may be BETTER track tires out there (obviously, yet that's all you keep saying), but the track isn't where you spend the bulk of your time unless you're Robevo or Gates. Good information in your post, but how about the fact that the MPSS have been track tested heavily during the One Lap of America? Tested and proven. Not all of us need R compound tires and not all of us track on a weekly basis. This is a compromise tire for BOTH. I'm sure it's quite capable for an auto-X.
No question, the tires will work on the track well. I wasn't disputing that. I was more responding to someone else who was acting like an ass and picking a fight with another member.

I would probably love to DD in these tires. I would just swap them out before running an Auto X if I was trying to be as competitive as possible in my class. I definitely think these tires would be great tires for the evo overall, and it's not like running all seasons in the summer by any means. The point I was making is that I personally feel it's foolish to make the argument that these would be *faster* on the track/auto-x than the RS3's or Star Specs. Better tread life - sure, better turn in or response, possibly, but not better sheer grip. I've made that mistake and was trying to inform people before spending over a grand on a set of tires like I did, there are situations where you might wish you were running a more aggressive compound.
 

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No question, the tires will work on the track well. I wasn't disputing that. I was more responding to someone else who was acting like an ass and picking a fight with another member.

I would probably love to DD in these tires. I would just swap them out before running an Auto X if I was trying to be as competitive as possible in my class. I definitely think these tires would be great tires for the evo overall, and it's not like running all seasons in the summer by any means. The point I was making is that I personally feel it's foolish to make the argument that these would be *faster* on the track/auto-x than the RS3's or Star Specs. Better tread life - sure, better turn in or response, possibly, but not better sheer grip. I've made that mistake and was trying to inform people before spending over a grand on a set of tires like I did, there are situations where you might wish you were running a more aggressive compound.
Agreed in all points, especially in bold ^^

I wasn't trying to be a dick with my post, rereading it I think I worded it a bit strong.
 

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Lol you are pathetic.
Man, I really wish we were closer to each other, you know we could hang out. I could introduce you to my size 12. Seriously, you had some good points until that comment.

No question, the tires will work on the track well. I wasn't disputing that. I was more responding to someone else who was acting like an ass and picking a fight with another member.
I was responding to the non informative post on page 1,2 and 3. How do you explain the length of post that I replied with and the link provided so the member didn't even have to google it for himself. By all means you have your opinion and i have mine. The fact is I disputed a comment on TREADWEAR relating to grip and I provided plenty of information to the misinformed member. I really don't have to explain it, why don't you go back and read it like a big boy.

I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, why don't you beat it and go bash forum members in another thread.
 

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LoL. you guys are getting all upset with each other. Relax. The only input I could add is that it also depends on the tread depth because of the flex of the rubber tread itself. Less deep tread then less flex then better handling. Another reason then longer life tires not handle as well because their tread is deeper.
 

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I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:
Of course I read the link before posting. If the only tire test that are available relative to traction are wet, then how do you know that the tire will be better in dry? Where are the dry test to prove that? Im serious, I could care less if you do provide it, ill keep looking though.

I think that it is established that the MPSS will be a good tire, Its not a dedicated track tire. Those tires will be faster, duh. But to say that this tire is no where near as fast as the Star Specs or OEM advans because they have a "lower tread wear" rating is just stupid.

If the the(my) evo was a dedicated race car, like gates etc, yea i would want the fastest lap times possible. However these seem to be a nice compromise of both worlds. Its not an R-comp yea got it. Thanks.

You obviously know a great deal about what Michelin is putting into the Super Sports that makes up the rubber compound to be able to say it has worse grip in the dry than a tire with a lower tread wear rating, right??? Thats what we are talking about. See below the original post that i replied to, in case you missed it.

Our OEM tire is a 180 Tread Wear.... I would never put a 300 TW on my car. It might be ok for you guys that only drive to Sonic or The Avenue. There is a reason they put a sticky tire on our car from factory. Just Sayin...
 
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