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I currently have an Fp Red, MX 1 cams and all supporting mods pushing 440whp at 28 psi. I'll soon have a built either 2.1 (or 2.2). I really want to reach 550whp on 93 pump. The highest I've seen on a black is slightly over 500, and up to 590 on ms 109. I have a lot to learn about turbo component sizes and was wondering if anyone's made 550 on a pump. If so, on what turbo/setup? I was looking at some of the AMS setups but as i said, when it comes to picking the turbo.... I have no idea. (yes im researching in more places than evo forums)
 

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That Red can make more than 440whp with those mods...
 

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Gonna be tough on 93. Errr should I say its gonna take a big T3, most likely. A 6266 should make close to that, but you would have a much different powerband compared to your red. Are peak numbers your only concern? Also plan on building the motor sooner than later.
 

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Gonna be tough on 93. Errr should I say its gonna take a big T3, most likely. A 6266 should make close to that, but you would have a much different powerband compared to your red. Are peak numbers your only concern? Also plan on building the motor sooner than later.
Peak numbers are point less. You can have 550 whp with just a crappy power band... Torque = acceleration.
 

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I have about the same mods as him and made 443. If you can get me moar power than that out of my setup, we need to talk lol. Plus faster spool would be nice as well
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Pump gas numbers can change drastically depending on the VE of the motor. I have seen the 750R make 520whp on pump. That same car made 620whp on E85, that is the highest I have ever seen out of that turbo.

I have seen the 900x make 500whp on pump consistently with just a built bottom end and a good set of cams. I have also see that turbo make over 650whp on pump. This was on a 2.4 liter motor with Kelford C cams and a CNC head to go along with it. You will see more on that motor later. This setup spools extremely quick and still has a massive powerband making power all the way to redline (8500rpm).

Bottom line is that turbo selection is important but so are the components you choose to complement it.
 

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I currently have an Fp Red, MX 1 cams and all supporting mods pushing 440whp at 28 psi. I'll soon have a built either 2.1 (or 2.2). I really want to reach 550whp on 93 pump. The highest I've seen on a black is slightly over 500, and up to 590 on ms 109. I have a lot to learn about turbo component sizes and was wondering if anyone's made 550 on a pump. If so, on what turbo/setup? I was looking at some of the AMS setups but as i said, when it comes to picking the turbo.... I have no idea. (yes im researching in more places than evo forums)
If you're going to chase a number, why limit yourself to 93 pump?
 

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Pump gas numbers can change drastically depending on the VE of the motor. I have seen the 750R make 520whp on pump. That same car made 620whp on E85, that is the highest I have ever seen out of that turbo.

I have seen the 900x make 500whp on pump consistently with just a built bottom end and a good set of cams. I have also see that turbo make over 650whp on pump. This was on a 2.4 liter motor with Kelford C cams and a CNC head to go along with it. You will see more on that motor later. This setup spools extremely quick and still has a massive powerband making power all the way to redline (8500rpm).

Bottom line is that turbo selection is important but so are the components you choose to complement it.
Dan,

Can you ask Chris what numbers Tai (RedRum) did here in Hawaii when he tuned him? I know his car did like 5-550 and he is on stock block! Just not sure if he was running pump or race gas. Eitherway, on the Jun 272's and AMS750R his car is a beast!
 

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Dan/AMS im doing a 750r right now. Any more details about the setup that did 620 on e85? im assuming this is a fully built 2.2?
^this... because I swear that Tai did like 558whp on a dynojet here in Hawaii!
 

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If you're going to chase a number, why limit yourself to 93 pump?
93 is the most readily avaiable to me, with E85 being at least an hour away and im not sure If i want to deal with storing a drum of fuel at my house (though it seems I may not have a choice with the goals i have). I'm not too conerned with street driveability. I know the Evo isnt a drag car but in all honestly that's what I'm going for. Being that I'm getting the motor redone, I'd like to get a nice turbo set up, otherwise it'll be the black on ms 109 for the track.
 

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kelfords :clap:
They make both.....

Manufactured by Kelford Cams exclusively for AMS

Kelford makes the springs also, thinking 214b might be good for 500whp, big deal, just to retain the best powerband possible, might be easier on the MR as well.
 

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I said kelfords just because I know they have valve springs, never knew AMS had springs also
We use Kelford springs with the AMS cams

Kelford makes the springs also, thinking 214b might be good for 500whp, big deal, just to retain the best powerband possible, might be easier on the MR as well.
You would be better off with the TMP cams for your car.


Dan/AMS im doing a 750r right now. Any more details about the setup that did 620 on e85? im assuming this is a fully built 2.2?
This was on a flexfuel evo 8 that we built.

AMS 2.3 stroker
AMS CNC head
Kelford 272 cams
AMS f1-i intake manifold
etc etc etc.
 
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