[theflash]

In both cases considering the whole kit which includes the Radiator shrouds (for PW JDM, engine covers included) also…

OK, right off the bat, sorry if this is redundant, I didn't find any posts directly related with these two intake comparisons. Putting costs aside (we already know the Gruppe-M is a quite a bit more expensive), I'm looking at overall Form/Fit (Quality), & Function.

Quality:
PW JDM - found one thread describing some issues with fit, mainly the MAF housing interface, and some minor (?) finish issues. Has the MAF interface been resolved? Can the finish/blemish issues be overlooked(fixed) when considering the whole package? Is the Hood stand still functional over the Rad shroud?
Gruppe M - I didn't find anything derogatory concerning Quality.

Function:
PW JDM - Couldn't find anything in regards to performance, with or without other mods involved (i.e. exhausts, tune, etc.,.).
GruppeM - I found one thread with this vs. the ARC intake. The GruppeM seemed to match performance of the ARC, and looks sooo much better than the ARC under the hood.

Seems cut and dry to most that the Gruppe-M is favorable over the PW-JDM. I really do like the looks of the PW-JDM, and am really hoping the carbon finish blemishes (if they exist) can be remedied with a coat of clear & some color-sanding/polishing, as long as there are no fitment issues!! The Air box also looks promising since it seems to have alot of volume compared to the Gruppe, and on top of that, seems apparent that you might have some choices of using other filters like a dry AEM (as opposed to the Gruppe which uses a specific Air Filter due to the small Air box)....

Please help me (us) out with some real time experience or even dyno comparisons from owners or people familiar with either intakes....

THANKS!!

Password JDM:

Gruppe-M

 

[Tdiggity]

What's the price difference between the 2?


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I got you covered man -

We've sold a countless amount of BOTH kits and will speak unbiasedly.

Quality:

Gruppe M - I have never once had a complaint on Gruppe M's quality, only on the time it takes to get them. The intake can be compared to picasso for cars, its insane. There is no doubt about that.

PW JDM - There have been a few instances where the intake arrived at our customers door with minor blemishes but Password has always been very keen on following up with an exchange or repair. We work very close with PW JDM with the Evo parts and with some back and forth between the two of us, the blemish issues have since been fixed. Issue isn't really even a good word for it as it was a rare occurrence and unfortunately people tend to write about the bad more than the good, lol. The major difference here is that the PW JDM system is a hand made race use item, that looks freaking good. With that in mind, they weren't as worried about the minor details, but again that has now been rectified.

Function:

Both system are designed to shield hot air from the intake, provide a ram air effect, increase overall flow and kick ass. I can't say which works better, but we do run the PW JDM system on our Evo X and absolutely love it. Both utilize a re washable filter, velocity stack, lightweight carbon etc. PW JDM is available also in Carbon Kevlar if you prefer.

Like I said, we have customers running both setups and all of them are happy. Its going to come down to what you're looking for and if you need any more help whatsoever be sure to let me know

 

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What's the price difference between the 2?


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Gruppe M MSRP is 1652 + Shipping.

PW JDM is 1474 MSRP + Shipping.

Pricing is better when PM'd of course

 

[theflash]

Sean,

PW JDM:

Is the MAF sensor relocated (upside down)? pics don't show it....

Can you use a different MAF housing, let's say from ETS or AGP?

Also, any problems with the Stock Hood Stand clipping into the stock location when closing the hood?

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Sean,

PW JDM:

Is the MAF sensor relocated (upside down)? pics don't show it....

Can you use a different MAF housing, let's say from ETS or AGP?

Also, any problems with the Stock Hood Stand clipping into the stock location when closing the hood?

I'm sending you a PM.....

I knew I missed some questions in that post, lol.

MAF Sensor was never actually an issue just a misunderstanding. You can rotate the velocity stack to fully hid if it you so choose.

You can use ETS etc, a customer of ours who just picked this up is actually doing just that - but it will require some minor custom work most likely to fit it all up. Especially if you go with the large size version. But it is more than doable, and recommend for larger turbo setups once you eventually get one for more flow.

The hood latch closes no problem, what we did on our car is we rolled that spongy protection piece down so that when the latch gets placed in the close position it fits snugly between the intake and the latch itself protecting it from scratches. It is tight, but just dont slam the hood down and you're fine. We have yet to have an issue and have been running the kit since they were put out. I think we have the 3rd one made or something, as the other two were on test vehicles at PW JDM.

 

[Freebs]

I have the Password JDM intake and shroud and it is a very nice unit and keeps the filter shielded but when it comes to performance/tuning it lacks... The box creates a bunch of turbulence around the filter and causes funky MAF readings while trying to tune. This all goes away when you take the lid off but who wants to have it like this? I was still able to put down decent numbers but could have put down better without this issue.

My fix for this is going to be cut a hole in the side and run tubing down into the top of the wheel well so that it's getting fed cold air from two locations and should get rid of the turbulence. I could just toss my Harmon Motive intake back on but the Password JDM intake is too nice hahah

 

[ak47m203]

I think because that box is tight/small and too much air going inside it. The AEM is not that flashy but air box is way bigger.

 

[Capone]

Here is my engine bay with password jdm intake and cooling plate. I had some problems with it and DSG/Password JDM was good to fix them.

 

[Stark Industries]

the biggest difference you will see between these is the PW JDM is a 1x1 cf weave and the gruppe m (along with most other brands) are a 2x2.

Doesnt sound like a big deal, right? Until you see it up close and start to take pictures, you wont have an appreciation for a tighter cf weave along with a high quality clearcoat.

 

[blai4754]

MAF Sensor was never actually an issue just a misunderstanding. You can rotate the velocity stack to fully hid if it you so choose.

Sean's right here, the stack can be rotated in the circular direction, mine's had an issue where the maf housing was installed in the wrong direction on the velocity stack but PWJDM took care of it.

The hood latch closes no problem, what we did on our car is we rolled that spongy protection piece down so that when the latch gets placed in the close position it fits snugly between the intake and the latch itself protecting it from scratches. It is tight, but just dont slam the hood down and you're fine. We have yet to have an issue and have been running the kit since they were put out. I think we have the 3rd one made or something, as the other two were on test vehicles at PW JDM.

My hood stand doesn't snap in as the fitment isn't perfect. In fact, there's scratches on the air box now when the stand goes over it. Should've thought of moving that foam piece lol...

The quality of the Gruppe-M is better but overall asthetics if you get the entire set, I'd say the PWJDM looks awesome.

Plus the radiator shroud extends further over the headlights which makes it look loads better.

 

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[theflash]

Has anyone else encounter issues during tuning??

Freebs, what kind of tuning issues did you have, power spikes, drops, stutters? Was this shown on your Dyno graphs?

Sean, you have any information on possible tuning issues from other customers, and possible "workarounds" during tuning?

I have the Password JDM intake and shroud and it is a very nice unit and keeps the filter shielded but when it comes to performance/tuning it lacks... The box creates a bunch of turbulence around the filter and causes funky MAF readings while trying to tune....
..... I could just toss my Harmon Motive intake back on but the Password JDM intake is too nice hahah

 

[ak47m203]

Here is my engine bay with password jdm intake and cooling plate. I had some problems with it and DSG/Password JDM was good to fix them.

nice...

 

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Has anyone else encounter issues during tuning??

Freebs, what kind of tuning issues did you have, power spikes, drops, stutters? Was this shown on your Dyno graphs?

Sean, you have any information on possible tuning issues from other customers, and possible "workarounds" during tuning?

I have not encountered anyone else who said this, customers or tuners - I have a lot of customers running this setup with aftermarket turbos even fully tuned and no complaints. I can't speak for Freeb's particular situation

 

[limx]

why the PWJDM carbon intake says "DRY", but it looks like wet..!!

I'm confuse..!!

 

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It's Dry Carbon with a glossy clearcoat for looks and durability

 

[Stark Industries]

The cooling plate is TiTek, the other parts PW JDM. LMK if you cant see a difference.