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Engine Selection for SST - Stroke, Bore and Displacement considerations?

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#1 · (Edited)
So without even getting my car back from my GTX3076R install I'm putting some money aside to fund a proper suspension setup (Ohlins, Sway bar, RCK, End Links etc...) and an engine build so my car will take a beating and I don't have to worry about months of unplanned downtime in the event I window my block (the two months it's been at RTR waiting for parts to come in have sucked and made me realise I don't want that to happen again!).

Since I've got an SST I'm thinking I probably want to keep the revs low (my understanding is that you don't want to/can't rev the SST out) and with that in mind I'm leaning towards a Stroker build as I can increase displacement, get more torque at lower RPM and not have it with the ability to to rev higher but no way to make use of it, though I'm a noob and want other peoples opinion on the subject hence why I'm making this thread.

I've used the ERL engine specs for illustration purposes http://www.erlperformance.com/mitsubishi-4b11 though I haven't decided on them as my final choice for supplier it was just easy to use the specs off the site (note also the prices include the cost of a core + crank if applicable).

If this was your build and you were looking at buying a motor to pair with an SST out of the below options:
(1) What one would you buy and why?
(2) Is there anything you would change?

Option 1:

Stock Sleeve - Stock Stroke - Stock Bore - ~$4350RRP:
Disp = 2.0
Bore = 86.5
Stroke = 86
CR: 9.0
Adv: Keeps things simple, the cheapest option, keeps the stock crank
Dis: No increase in displacement

Option 2:

Aftermarket Sleeve - Stock Stroke - Bored - ~$5350RRP:
Disp = 2.1
Bore = 88
Stroke = 86
CR: 9.0
Adv: Slight increase in displacement, keeps the stock crank
Dis: Only a small increase in displacement over option 1, more expensive and stock stroke

Option 3:

Stock Sleeve - Stroker - Stock Bore - ~$5950RP:
Disp = 2.3
Bore = 86.5
Stroke = 97
CR: 9.5
Adv: Good increase in displacement, retains the stock bore and increases stroke
Dis: Requires aftermarket crank

Option 4:
Aftermarket Sleeve - Stroker - Bored - ~$6800RRP
Disp = 2.5
Bore = 90
Stroke = 97
CR: 9.5
Adv: Huge increase in displacement, aftermarket bore (not a bad thing as it doesn't trade off bore for stroke it just increases displacement) and increases stroke
Dis: Requires aftermarket crank
 
#2 ·
I'm not sure I understand this, you want to match the SST to the engine build it's a question of how much torque the tranny can take before slipping excessively. People with over 350 wheel tq can't use normal mode anymore since the holding power of the clutches is related to the line pressure.

You can always cram more clutches in there but until they figure out the programming it might be a good idea for long term use to stick to a power level that the SST can handle without big clutch upgrades.

First they crack the tranny tuning, then we can understand better how much power it can take, then you build an engine according to the traits and limits of the transmission. Your probably at the limit already with a 3076r.
 
#4 ·
Well I think by stroking it I get extra power down low and don't sacrifice anything as what I sacrafice is a top end I can't use anyway, that is my theoretical point around potentially using a stroker.

Maybe the difference between Stroking vs Boring is a negligible difference and boring is more reliable, that's one question I'd like to see answered/debated.

The question isn't 'should I build the engine?' it's 'how should I build the engine' for my situation (and for other SST owners).

If I decide I want more than the 3076R can do (likely) then I'll upgrade it but I'm not planning my motor build around my turbo.
I would like to say option 3, not having to resleeve the block means significant drop in chance of the engine builder messing something up leading to dropped sleeves/problems.
That's a good point as well and that was the one I liked the look of too.

I'm wondering what the side effects of such a big stroke is since I know AMS doesn't stroke the motors they sell (at least the ones they advertise) and I'm not sure if there's a reason for that (Cosworth sells a stroker kit though)

He is working with a good team of Australians on the SST side of things.
Correct, Beeble is tuning the car and he's doing a big motor build himself on an SST.
 
#3 ·
I would like to say option 3, not having to resleeve the block means significant drop in chance of the engine builder messing something up leading to dropped sleeves/problems.

He is working with a good team of Australians on the SST side of things.
 
#8 ·
Some people with much more built motor/SST experience than us Aussies have run into problems with high revs and getting the SST to shift.
My understanding is that 8500 is about the limit, and beyond this the thing simply won't shift. I have no first hand experience of this because no car down here revs that high! well maybe one i can think of, but it's in another city, and i believe Kozmic had a lot to do with setting that car up anyways.

I'm a big fan of sleeves for a track car, but i can't say for sure if any Aussie shop has experience with sleeving 4B11s. Your car will be mostly street so maybe that's overkill.

If you want a safe approach i would keep stock or near-stock displacement.
heh wait and see how my 2.2 goes before deciding on anything :)
I suspect I'll be looking for help myself very soon, local and abroad, as we enter previously uncharted waters with tuning big power SSTs down under. I'm 100% sure we'll get there but there is some significant learning to be done.
 
#11 ·
Thanks mate, great info as usual. That's why I posted it up on here since I know the guys in the US have way more experience with this stuff and I want to do it right rather than cheap but when cheap is right that's even better - <$2k for the engine parts + Labor sounds pretty good (depending on how much labor is required).

Glad you're going first on the tuning front - Exciting times ahead for Aussie SST's, we've already got the quickest MR quarter mile, what's next?

^ I'm just going to pitch a tent in the corner i think.
Just sleep in my car, it'll be in the corner next to your tent ;)
^ Same here.
Will speak about a quote when I come down to pick up my car :)