Its smaller than an FP green. So with that being said, FP Black is still the way.

 

thanks!

 

The first release of the GT30 had some wastegate issues too. It was pretty much a non-starter on the X, but I believe HiBoost may still be running one.

 

Those turbos are weak sauce. Weak. Sauce. Just in case you wanted more technical data to back up what everyone else is sayin.

 

I don't know how the black is 'still the way to go'. Theres what, 4 of us who are tuned with one? But still, seeing my results, and especially murlo's, why would you want anything else? Theres really three options viable for our car: stock, black, and 35r. The bbx/green/red folks are kidding themselves, just ask hotdog.

 

The FP Green is still a good option for mid range power, IMHO. The FP Red still requires more RPMs to make power, and the FP Black, frankly, unless you're building your block, is kind of an odd option.

The problem for a lot of people is the fact they're all basically the same fucking price, minus the FP Black at +500$. Looking at them, without doing research, is confusing.

 

The Red is the way to go if you ask me. Minimal lag and good power. Great for autoX

 

I don't autox, so idk fully, but wouldn't stock + e85 be better than a red? And really, the black lag is 300 vs the Red, does that make a real difference in autox?

 

All I know is that i run the red and notice virtually no lag at all. you say 300 rpm more, but that is quite a bit in autox. i am biased though because I have the red. Also, E85 on the stock block is a recipe for disaster. People tend to push their car too far on E85 and then......kaboom

 

so e-85 is not a good idea if you still have the stock block? i am running full boltons and blouch dom as of now.

 

I think the other size turbo's still have their place.

But honestly, the stock turbo on E85 is very fun and would downright own a red in autox if the red was on pump gas.

Regardless, the red and black is pretty close for spool time.

 

But honestly, the stock turbo on E85 is very fun and would downright own a red in autox if the red was on pump gas.

Why do you say that?

 

Because it would

I should clarify though that a person who is awesome at driving could probably win in the Red powered car, but to almost anyone who isn't professional the stock turbo E85 will have a much wider powerband and way more usable torque and be a lot easier to drive.

 

but even at 4-5k rpms, the red should have virtually no lag. i have never gone below 4k rpms on an autoX course

the stock turbo has all of its tq down in the 2000-5500 rpm band or so.. with e-85 you'll have incredible tq down low with literally no lag! :rock:

very true. i still think a red would be better

 

The Red is red and red so the red rules and I choose red over all other colors because.... I have one. There. End thread.

LOL, not many people have driven all the turbos out there. I wish people would listen to those that have. (I'm not one.)

 

As a person that has had a red and black...I would say it all depends on what you want...both are great turbos.

 

Yep. If you want a hole in your block, get a red.. ;-) jk murlo we love you

 

Well i was my car on the track beside that is a DD car so I really do not do Autox cause is always in a sunday and i work sunday plus the are almost 2 hours away :-(

But yeah goals are between 450 to 500 on the stock block and i be a happy men lol!! i just got my a exedy twin clutch hd for the EVO but so far i am leaning more to the fpblack turbo so far and since we it is my DD and i am on the military i am trying to get back to overseas so wanna keep fuel gas and get a race fuel tune for the track days

 

Wasn't this a thread about the Garrett? I'm still a fan of them especially now that they have their GTX-R wheels out. 450WHP no problem, full spool in by 4200rpm on a stock engine for the past 20K on 93octane :godance:

BTW they are much larger than the GREEN.

 

You have one of the new GTX turbos?

 

uhhmmmm yeahh

 

I know, I know I'm one of few,,,,, I guess it's good that there are so many turbo options out there for our cars.

 

E-85 on the stock block is ok. 30+ psi on the stock block is not. E-85 allows the latter, but you don't have to push it that hard.

 

e-85 is not a bad idea neither but i DD my car and i drive it sometimes in long trips so that in the only reason why i will keep it in pump gas but the other problem that is that we only get 91 oct in here lol!!! but i will have a double pumper on the car so will see if i can make over 400 in pump gas i be happy with the car and just have a race fuel tune for the track

 

i will have a double pumper on the car so will see if i can make over 400 in pump gas

Not sure why you wasted the money. A single Walbro is good for well into the 500's on pump.

Edit: damn you, murlo.

 

If you are going with pump gas don't both putting a double pumper on, total waste of time/money and will just make things more complicated for no reason. Just get a 255 and be done.

 

So should i just keep my inline MDK fuel pump that i have ?? i was gonna send it back to MAP and use the money they give me to get the double pumper plus the hanger and pay the different

 

So should i just keep my inline MDK fuel pump that i have ??

Not sure what that is. An inline Walbro 255 kit? That should be plenty since the stocker+inline combo > 255 in tank.

now will be able to make over 400 in 91 with the fp black

The results for the 8/9 should be comparable to the peak numbers on the X (we get better spool).

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-tuning-results/463483-fp-black-pump-vs-stock-ix-turbo.html

 

now will be able to make over 400 in 91 with the fp black and ported manifold exhaust and intake and the mods that i already have ???

 

Garett gets some hate in the X community, if you want it get it and prove everyone wrong

 

No I don't, I was just looking at it, at SEMA. I still have the 1st gen GT3076R with the busted WGA.

 

Have your housing replaced. Garrett sends out new ones for free now. I got mine in already.
Still haven't done the tune, which is a next thing to do for me (hopefully, the final).