razorlab's simple build(s)

razorlab · Nov 17, 2013

After selling my beloved 400hp E85 2010 Ralliart Sportback, I picked up a 2013 VW Golf R. Drove that for almost a year and decided to get rid of it and pick up a 2014 Evo GSR with the SSSL package (Sunroof, leather, HID, Fast Key, upgraded stereo, etc) and get back to Mitsubishi.

Hey look, it's a stock 2014 Evo GSR:

My idea going into this build was to see what the car can do with "simple" modifications along the way.

For example, I was always curious what a relatively stock Evo 10 could do on E85, nobody was really doing this because most people modify the car a bit more before getting tuned, which brings us to this first round...

I baselined the car 100% stock with about 500 miles on it. Then I tuned it with no physical modifications to the car. Only an ECU tune.

You can see the results of this here:

Red plots = 100% stock
Blue plots = 100% stock with ECU tune

Then I put a couple more miles on it, and at around 950 miles I tuned the car on E85 with only these modifications:

ID 1000cc injectors
Blaqops fuel pump kit with Walbro 255
Speed Circuit resonated test pipe
GM 3 port boost solenoid

That's it. Basically two power mods and two fuel mods (for E85). The car sounds pretty much the same as stock and obviously looks 100% stock.

Green plots = 100% stock
Blue plots = 100% stock with ECU tune
Red plots = With modifications listed above, ECU tune and E85

So now I wonder no more what a Evo 10 will do with E85 and almost no modifications. I guessed the car would maybe do 100whp more then stock and I was within 2whp of being right. Keep in mind it's also not just a peaky gain, the whole power curve is so much fuller now the car is just a joy to drive now. Power on demand. One thing to note is that I am purposely keeping the low end boost down as to not overwhelm the stock clutch. I could get a bit more torque out of the car but I am currently choosing not to.

This is an AMAZING value for the money. The car is totally transformed power wise.

Now, as you can see in the plots, the car is a bit choked up with the stock intake/filter so I'm going to install a AEM intake very soon and see what difference that makes.

I also have a set of Bilsteins from a MR and Swift R springs I will be putting on the car soon.

Alrighty, update! Added an AEM intake

I guess these intake thingies work.

Red plots = OEM intake
Blue plots = AEM intake with no tune changes

I was actually surprised it ran less boost down low but not surprised it ran a tad more boost up top.

Not a bad gain. Guess it was pretty corked up.

Next I tuned it a bit for the AEM intake. I decided to keep the boost lower in the low and mid range (stock clutch) and raise it a bit 5,000 rpm up.

Red plots = OEM intake
Blue plots = AEM intake with no tune changes
Green plots = AEM intake with tune changes

Even more gains.

Pretty impressed actually.

Full gains from after tuning:

Red plots = OEM intake
Green plots = AEM intake with tune changes

+33 whp / +12wtq

Full gains so far from OEM bone stock:

Blue plots = OEM stock Evo 10
Red plots = Intake, Test Pipe, 3 port BCS, Injectors, Fuel Pump, E85, tune

131 whp / 93 wtq

Pretty darn happy with that.

Now to figure out why my IDC's are so high at 92%. I suspect the in tank fuel hose...

Joeyrukkus · Nov 17, 2013

FIRST! Sub'd for interesting data from super tunar.

hungryhippos · Nov 17, 2013

this is a solid idea. Any possibility in just testing a test pipe then just testing bcs individually? bcs and tp definitely changes the curve.

btack · Nov 17, 2013

Interesting results!

Is there a build soon to follow? Or is this it :dancebanana:

Exyia · Nov 17, 2013

since the Bilsteins are sitting, ever considered sending them off for re-valving? (since most people never opt to do it since it would leave their car on jacks through the process)

good to see you back either way

razorlab · Nov 17, 2013

I've read that the re-valve Bilsteins are a bit brutal. I bought the Bilsteins to actually get a better ride then the GSR KYB's. The car is a bit harsh for me currently.

kaquino · Nov 17, 2013

I think you should try a cosworth panel before you go aem.

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razorlab · Nov 17, 2013

kaquino said:
I think you should try a cosworth panel before you go aem.

I have a HKS panel sitting around that I could throw in and see what it does. Might be an interesting test.

I did it awhile ago on the 10's on the Mustang dyno at GST and saw almost zero difference between the OEM panel and aftermarket panel when tuned (not tuned was a different story), but that was on 91 oct and not the boost I am running on E85.

Might be worth a try.

Eyler_Evo_X · Nov 17, 2013

This is just proof that the car's safe potential is mostly underutilized from the factory. Imagine what the naysayers would have thought had the X come from the factory with just a more aggressive tune and upgraded boost solenoid? Even on 93 the gains would be noticeable and would totally change the initial perception of the platform.

Razor, you've always impressed me with your professional, scientific approach to tuning, and I always loved your Ralliart build. Glad to see you back, man.

razorlab · Nov 17, 2013

Eyler_Evo_X said:
This is just proof that the car's safe potential is mostly underutilized from the factory.

I forgot what a stock 10 felt like. It's sloooowwwwww... my first WOT in this 10 when it was stock was very underwhelming... probably one of the reasons I added 100whp before it even hit 1,000 miles....ahahh

kaquino · Nov 17, 2013

So when are you gonna start tuning customers again? I live nearby and really don't wanna go to EQ or FFTEC lol

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bellacotim · Nov 18, 2013

Before you do a the intake, can you do post a 91 octane tune & pull. Would be interested to see benefits of E85 alone on this build.

Kooldino · Nov 18, 2013

You can probably get away with more boost on e85.

Interested in seeing your intake results.

razorlab · Nov 18, 2013

Kooldino said:
You can probably get away with more boost on e85.

I stated in the first post why I'm not running more boost.

Firebuck2059 · Nov 19, 2013

sub'd for awesomeness and learning potential.

DrewXMR · Nov 20, 2013

wow awesome numbers, I knew the car had more in it. Just a testpipe and 3port with e85 mods jeeeeeez

CBRDSpeedfactory · Nov 20, 2013

BBX lite and CBRD FMIC soon

cb

razorlab · Nov 20, 2013

Stop tempting me

MisterO · Nov 20, 2013

This is great. Can't wait to see where this goes. Subd

razorlab · Nov 23, 2013

Next round....

TheNEWB · Nov 23, 2013

Welcome back sir!

Carry on with scientific research and awesomeness.

Rik84 · Nov 23, 2013

I've always liked the AEM box on these cars. But my god - the factory hot pipe looks like balls - forgot what those looked like lol. Something about it just makes me go

razorlab · Nov 25, 2013

Alrighty, update!

I guess these intake thingies work.

Red plots = OEM intake
Blue plots = AEM intake with no tune changes

I was actually surprised it ran less boost down low but not surprised it ran a tad more boost up top.

Not a bad gain. Guess it was pretty corked up.

Next I tuned it a bit for the AEM intake. I decided to keep the boost lower in the low and mid range (stock clutch) and raise it a bit 5,000 rpm up.

Red plots = OEM intake
Blue plots = AEM intake with no tune changes
Green plots = AEM intake with tune changes

Even more gains.

Pretty impressed actually.

Full gains from after tuning:

Red plots = OEM intake
Green plots = AEM intake with tune changes

+33 whp / +12wtq

Full gains so far from OEM bone stock:

Blue plots = OEM stock Evo 10
Red plots = Intake, Test Pipe, 3 port BCS, Injectors, Fuel Pump, E85, tune

131 whp / 93 wtq

Pretty darn happy with that.

Now to figure out why my IDC's are so high at 92%. I suspect the in tank fuel hose...

razorlab · Nov 25, 2013

Leaving the current gain over stock graph here.

Tomorrow the car is getting some attention to it's looks and handling instead of power. New wheels, tires, Bilsteins, swift spec R springs and alignment.

razorlab said:
Full gains so far from OEM bone stock:

Blue plots = OEM stock Evo 10
Red plots = Intake, Test Pipe, 3 port BCS, Injectors, Fuel Pump, E85, tune

131 whp / 93 wtq

Pretty darn happy with that.

chetrickerman · Nov 25, 2013

Its awesome to see the actual changes and the differences they make.

razorlab · Nov 25, 2013

Yea it's fun, I geek out on this stuff.

Have you seen IDC's this high on stock turbo on E85?

I ran basically the same fuel setup on my RA Sportback with BBX lite and it was only about 6% more IDC. Running same AFR too (11.8-12.1) *scratches head*

Chaz17 · Nov 25, 2013

Your BOV pipe looks a little wonky.

Very cool to finally see what each mod does. Keep it up bro.

razorlab · Nov 25, 2013

Chaz17 said:
Your BOV pipe looks a little wonky.

What do you mean?

CanEvo2012 · Nov 25, 2013

Let me subscribe to this thread so I know to check it as soon as u update it again

BADFISH6 · Nov 25, 2013

Very surprised by the intake gains, especially since the AEM intake reuses the factory snorkel. I always thought the narrowest part of the snorkel (where it meets the box) was the restriction on the stock intake. Now I would guess the filter is most restrictive on the stock system which makes me wonder if similar gains can be had with just a drop in.

Any dramatic temperature differences between before and after intake logs?

razorlab · Nov 25, 2013

The secret is running the AEM intake without the lid.

It's a good compromise between a totally open intake and this. It still shields a good amount of heat. I ran the AEM intake without the box on my RA Sportback because it wouldn't fit and never ran into problems actually.

I discovered years back on a 500hp BBX evo 10 that the lid creates a vac at higher airflow and actually causes the induction tube to collapse. Took it off and boost went back up and HP went up. Obviously that proved that the OEM snorkel is a restriction at some point.

Mash · Nov 25, 2013

Thanks. Useful. Keep it coming!

Rik84 · Nov 25, 2013

It's cool to see the AEM intake increases… I noticed the exact same increases when I tuned my first X back in 2009 with the AEM. Bolted it on and gained about 20whp. Man, that was ages ago...

razorlab · Nov 27, 2013

So I found out that you have to basically slam the Evo 10 if you don't want XXR's to stick out ghetto style in the rear... big bummer as I'm not planning on slamming the car so I think I might be selling these wheels. They look great other then that though. :-/

I need the ride height and the Spec R springs are pretty much perfect for me....

I'll try to get better photos over this weekend.

X-Factor · Nov 27, 2013

Awesome thread razor! So cool to see such a methodical test run like you did.

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